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Oh but it's sooooo racist... Give me a freakin' break!

'Oh oh but he didnt knoooow they were doing all that stuff in his house!'

Bullshit.  :shithappens:

Vick - 'hey, what's all them crates full of dogs in the yard about?'
relative/friend - 'huh, oh, I don't see no crates... go play football or somethin'
Vick - 'hey what's all that noise, sounds like cheering people and some crazy dogs fighting...'
relative/friend - 'huh, naw man, I don't hear nothin... here's a roll of money... go play football, everything is fine here man.'
Vick - 'oh... ookay! *runs off to play football all happy leave it to beaver like*...

This is what happened right? Yup... And I'm the fucking king of spain.

"What he needs to do when he comes out is to call a press conference and explain where a young man making 130 million dollars would get caught up in something like that,” Rose said.

Fans at Playmakers Barber Shop in Midtown said they still support Vick, because they feel he is innocent, and that he is a victim of a racist judicial system.

"It's bad. I don't condone it at all, but the punishment is too severe, (they’re ruining) a man's career," said barber Dontrell Mapp.


Oh right, the poor baby... he's obviously gotten himself caught up in something he had NO control in and NO SAY in whatsoever... the poor poor baby, oh such a horrible tragedy that this obvious victim's career is now going to be in shambles due to a CHOICE he had noooo part of....

What a load of crock. Vick supporters must come as easy as Bush supporters by the handful.

Yes. yes... As part of our civil rights, we should have the right to be a bunch of abusive thugs that have no respect for living things whatsoever... OMG, what was I thinking!

Jeebus.

*Update*

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Michael Vick apologized to the NFL and his Atlanta Falcons teammates Monday for "using bad judgment and making bad decisions" and vowed to redeem himself of charges in a dogfighting case.

Shortly before making his first public statements, the star quarterback pleaded guilty to a federal dogfighting charge and awaited a Dec. 10 sentencing date that likely will send him to prison.

"First I want to apologize for all the things that I've done and that I have allowed to happen," Vick said at a news conference following his appearance in U.S. District Court.

"I made a mistake in using bad judgment and making bad decisions," he said. "Dogfighting is a terrible thing."

He concluded by saying, "I offer my deepest apologies to everyone. And I will redeem myself. I have to."


Wow. he stepped up to the plate... He made bad DECISIONS, and ALLOWED things to happen... At least he's fessing up to this... GOOD.
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Eidolon-Grey Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
I think I'll quote someone elses comment in response to the update...

"With all the positive changes you had the funds and visibility to make happen in the world--youth mentoring, scholarships, philanthropic endeavors, and instead you chose this inhumane, cruel and vicious industry. It defies belief how anyone can derive any measure of satisfaction from the acts you have committed. I really hope you have found Jesus. Hopefully you will have a lot of time for quality communication with him while you are in prison."

I think a lot of people are really missing the point still... it's not JUST that this guy did this terrible thing. This was not some underprivileged young man with no prospects stuck in a cycle of violence with only despair of a life filled with hardness and poverty before him... this was a young man who made millions of dollars, who had every possible opportunity, and who CHOSE despite all of that to torture and kill animals... FOR FUN. This is a man who has already earned in his short life more money than most of us will ever come close to earning in our entire lives. It makes what he's done even worse, because he HAD a choice to enrich himself and others around effortlessly. I can only hope as a best case resolution for this that he seriously changes his life. The sad thing is, he wouldn't have done if it had not been for being caught (If he wasn't able to realize "I'm doing something horrific" the first time he was involved in torturing one of those dogs, he wasn't going to stop) so quite frankly, it makes his apologys and gestures of remorse pretty meaningless.

Karma will have it's way though, so whatever happens to him and whatever choices and actions he takes, he'll be punished still further. Perhaps his next life will be a regression of incarnation and he'll be an animal or human who is used and tortured for the amusement of the morally bankrupt.
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2007  Professional General Artist
:nod:

Yeah.

I don't get that whole... 'well you all act like you're better than him, like you've never done anything wrong' blah blah blah...

Ok. That's stupid. I don't and never have run around torturing animals for fun or for profit. I don't think the person that said that gets the point... that's like saying that in defense of anyone! Child molester? PFF dont act so shocked, you're no better, its not like you've never done anything wrong before... Rapist? murderer? wife beater? Cmon... give me a fucking break... People should know better by now, people should know by now what is what... if they wanna tempt fate by "trying to get away with it", that doesnt make it ok. "Oh but I'll just say sorry and stuff"... no, sorry, no deal.

GARGH.

And then there's idiots that would say this:

"For his involvement Mr. Vick is going to serve time of up to 12-18 months, but Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton and many other celebreties of the caucasian race can drive drunk, admit to drug use, walk around with no under wear on, drive while holding their kids in car seats, etc.. "

Ok... strike 1 - Race card... strike 2 - I dont think those 'caucasian' celebrities ran around behaving in murderous and cruel ways just for kicks, just for fun, just for profit... unless you're telling me Paris Hilton ran around murdering kittens everyday just after getting out of bed etc. Strike 3 - this person is a MORON! ... ...

*end rant*

Thanks love, :heart:
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2007
:) i figure he would say that and yeah i can see the protesters lining up with flamethrowers and torches now. seriously i'll wait until after he's done prison time to past judgment. i wanna see his words in action first.
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2007  Professional General Artist
I just hope they also make him do some community service in animal rescue, or something of the like... Perhaps that might open his glazed lil eyes some.

And of course he would say that... either by advise of his legal peeps, or to save face. Doesn't change the facts.

At least he was man enough to admit he fucked up and to admit that he allowed shit to happen without being man enough to stop it.

People... pff!
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2007
:) true, me personally i hope he opens a animal rescue shelter but alas that won't stop the petatards from hating him sadly.
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2007  Professional General Artist
that would be a bit of over compensation too, wouldn't it?

Kinda like a priest opening a molestation prevention center or a YMCA :snicker:
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2007
:lol: perhaps but still wouldn't hurt
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DarknessBloodbane Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This has been a very strong debate concerning race ever since they made the accusations/arrest. Regardless of what color you are, dogfighting, cockfighting, or the pitting of two animals against one another for sheer entertainment is morally and physically wrong. People argue that Boxing is no different...if dogs could talk I'm sure they wouldn't have any desire to fight one another. Humans have a choice. Dogs don't.

I can see the point people make about Vick being responsible. He's innocent of the actual fighting itself. It's not illegal to own property, it is illegal to make that property avalible for illegal purposes. It's like someone renting a house, the tenants sell drugs out of it and get busted for it, and then they (the police) turn around and arrest the landlord of the house. It sickens me to see that he knew this was going on and he was obviously ok about it. Race shouldn't even play a factor, it annoys the hell out of me that whenever a person of color gets arrested for something on this scale, the NAACP or others are quick to pull the race card. If the guy was white, I'm sure all the white people would be shouting the same thing. It's rediculous. Frankly, I hope they jerk his entire cashflow from him, and make him donate it to an animal shelter. I hope he gets community service at those same shelters to see what it's like to have to deal with that every day. And I hope he loses every single endorsement he has, and never plays football (or any other sport) again.

At any rate...if he was so innocent, and he had nothing to do with it...why did he plead guilty? The local R&B radio station here said nothing about a plea bargain, just that he pleaded guilty. The first step to proving your innocence is to plead as such, or has the justice system changed somehow?
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2007  Professional General Artist
although...

"Court documents released last week showed that two of Vick's alleged partners said he helped kill dogs that didn't fight well and that the three men "executed approximately eight dogs" in ways that included hanging and drowning."

& furthermore...

"In the court documents, Peace and Phillips said that the money behind the Bad Newz Kennels dogfighting operation came "almost exclusively" from Vick, and they told prosecutors that other accusations in the 18-page indictment are true."

Not sure which is worse... if he would've actually been involved in the fighting, or not involved in the fighting as you've said, and only in the killing of the 'weaker' dogs...
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2007  Professional General Artist
Yes, yes, and yes.

And the justice system... what a convoluted mess that has become huh?

And yeah, the whole race issue here is completely MOOT. What a load of crock...

*really sick of people like this*

Thanks for the input DB!
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DarknessBloodbane Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Just as tired of hearing about him as you are. And wether he witnessed the fighting, helped kill the weaker dogs, etc, he's still a foul and very poor excuse for the human race. Along with the rest of the knuckleheads who were actually holding the fights.
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2007  Professional General Artist
totally agreed, DB. *nodnod

Sick of hearing about ';people' like him and so many others...
jeez... something really needs to happen to wake people the frak up...

meh.
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Eidolon-Grey Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
**WARNING - Strong Angry Opinion Below**

I makes me SICK that people are making excuses for this man, I am genuinely staggered that people try and make it OK to torture animals. If you think it's no big deal, then you're a vile disgusting piece of shit.

Yeah you're damn right I have strong opinions on this, I've been involved in animal rescue for many years, and the things I've seen have taught me that there is no end to the casual inhuman cruelty that people indulge in and justify.

If you can defend a piece of trash like Vick, then you're no better than him. I don't give a crap what color you are, it's your actions and behavior that really matter, to bleat and whine about how he's a victim of a racist system is utter bullshit.

A witch-hunt? He's being punished too hard? Racist? You're missing the goddamn point and you're an idiot - it was his goddamn property, he's responsible 1000% for everything that happened on it. He's as responsible as if he had delivered every blow, or spilt every drop of blood, or killed every dog. Those dogs were made to fight for the entertainment of bestial humans who think watching animals in pain and fear is fun. The loosing dogs were drowned, electrocuted to death, and hung by their collars and punched and beaten till they died. Vick participated; he supported all of it by allowing his property to be used to facilitate this disgusting practice. He should be punished to the HARSHEST degree of the law, he should NEVER play football again, NEVER earn millions again... he's an irresponsible despicable creature, just like every other shit ignorant piece of trash who ever harms an animal and thinks it's fun and ok.

It's not for nothing that harming animals is considered a key sign of a developing serial killer - because it's a sign of a damaged mind with sociopathic sadistic tendencies.

People like Vick and his cronies should be locked away and prevented from breeding, their as bad as pedophiles and should be punished accordingly.
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Eidolon-Grey Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Well yeah you're right, I must be missing your point, I'm not sure what you mean. I read your comment to say that Vick is getting more bad rap then OJ does now... but if you're saying he's getting more bad rap then OJ did THEN, well... no, again I'd have to disagree with ya. OJ's shit was nationwide & worldwide and caused crazy sensation (live trial and all. The glove! The drama!), this is just sideline news for the rest of the world, and not that much big talk in the US either.

Anyway, we clearly have different views on this, and that's fine. You got what you got and I got what I got, I'm not going to try talk you out or argue with you about what you think :)
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007
we'll just agree to disagree then. :)
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Eidolon-Grey Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Sounds good man.
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007
:no: last i check almost nobody making an excuse for him nor are they trying to defend him except get him to take the plead deal. what strikes as kinda odd is the fact that O.J. still doesn't have this much bad publicity and i'm sure almost nobody in this country thinks he didn't do it. you're free to think of him as you wish but what done is done.
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Eidolon-Grey Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
There's a lot of people defending him man, I've been reading the articles about this and the comments made by people on it. There is a disturbingly loud cry of "Let the man off, he's innocent, it's only dogs." His fans are the worst in defending him, naturally.

And of course OJ doesn't have this much bad press right now, it's because Vicks crime happened recently, that's like saying Jack the Ripper doesn't have as much bad press. Recent crimes will ALWAYS have more press than old ones, that's only logical.
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007
:) you're not getting my point, when i compare this to the O.J. trial i was comparing the media coverage and whatnot along with the shock of this. and as far as i know the nfl players are moving on, Arthur Blank( Vick Boss) was upset about this as anyone. the closet I can think of big public figure defending him was Emmitt smith who just said that The Fbi might be squeezing Vick to get to someone else and that's really it. Now yes alot of players wanted him to get him to get back hopping he could be proven innocent but at the moment they're just hopping for the best for him and that he can get through this as a changed man.
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007
meh, i still say his friends sold him out and did more than what they're saying. vick probably was there but probably didn't have anything to do with the dog deaths himself.
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quickreaver Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Professional General Artist
Yeah, egads! He built a COMPOUND dedicated for the fighting of those dogs! He knew the score. I used to work at a veterinary clinic. I've seen pitbulls that have been fought. It ain't pretty. Who gives a rat's arse if his friends sold him out? No honor among thieves, baby.....
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Professional General Artist
Heya muffin lady!!! (nice new icon btw, really diggin it!) Vet clinic? Oof... I bet you've got some horror stories... :( Humans can really disgust me most of time, yanno?

as for what you said:

EXACTLY. He knew the damn score, and that's what damns him. If he had any iota of integrity, if he had grain of that which would perhaps give him license to proclaim innocence to begin with, he wouldn't have allowed this crap to happen to begin with.

He chose the wrong crowd to roll with? Yeah, well too bad. It's not like he needed the money, it's not like he couldn't have looked for other less disgusting ways to entertain himself/ allow his guests to entertain themselves... to quote "He's as responsible as if he had delivered every blow, or spilt every drop of blood, or killed every dog. Those dogs were made to fight for the entertainment of bestial humans who think watching animals in pain and fear is fun. The loosing dogs were drowned, electrocuted to death, and hung by their collars and punched and beaten till they died. Vick participated; he supported all of it by allowing his property to be used to facilitate this disgusting practice."

The fact that ppl are also trying to play the 'race card' and the further acts of irresponsibility is just adding nails to the coffin :nod:

Thanks for coming by!
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quickreaver Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Professional General Artist
My pleasure! *drops muffins and trots off, skirt a'swingin'!*
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2007  Professional General Artist
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eghasps! Christine muffins!!! :excited:

*runs off with the muffins greedily into a corner :fuzzydemon: trying not to get hypnotized by the swinging colorful seizure inducing skirt*

*chomps away* :pacman:
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quickreaver Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2007  Professional General Artist
:giggle:
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2007  Professional General Artist
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007
:) no honor indeed.
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Professional General Artist
It was still on his property, and I'm sure being a big bad football player it's not like he couldn't have said 'yo guys, this aint right, stop that shit or get the hell off my property'.

Think about it... someone is doing something like that on YOUR property, does it have integrity for you to stand idly by whilst they do horrific deeds such as these loser clowns did?

I guess that's how they roll.
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007
well i see your point. vick just chose the wrong damn crew to role with and like Pacman jones he's gotta pay the price.
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Eidolon-Grey Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry PSO, I disagree, he didn't just choose the wrong crew, he was a grown man with his own mind and able to make his own choices.

If he wasn't capable of seeing what was happening was wrong, then he deserves everything he gets. If he was capable and just not man enough to say no, then he deserves everything he gets. I only hope he gets punished as harshly as possible and has his career ruined. He wasn't capable of giving those dogs mercy, who if they weren't torn apart alive, where tortured to death in brutal inhuman ways... and he doesn't deserve any himself.
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Professional General Artist
I'm sure his house isn't the only place that these kind of trashy people and activities take place in either...

Someone always needs to set an example right? And as big as this thing is splashing out, it would send a big message in a big way to all those 'high rolling' sports boys that get their kicks in this or similar fashions... wether it be cruelty to animals, rape, murder, whatever...

I just can't wrap my head around, how you can make so much damn money playing a sport you love, doing something you love... and then somehow feel a need to do this kind of shit... If it's in some ghetto slum somewhere, well maybe no surprise... but someone who is 'successful'?

I just don't get it... filthy humanity.
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007
:) well to each there own. he'll get his as well as everyone else involved. it's easy to say he should have man up and stood up to his friends but quite frankly doing it is a completely different manner. not gonna excuse him one bit as i hope he gets cut by the falcons, fined, jail as much as the law allows.
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Professional General Artist
yeah, I get what you're saying... however - "he should have man up and stood up to his friends but quite frankly doing it is a completely different manner."

I guess that also explains why I have so few friends, cause I tend to have a zero tolerance for any kind of harmful, inhumane, bullshit either around me, or in my home. Guess that's the price of manning up, but I'm the type that would rather have 2 good friends than 15 so so friends that are into making light of people's pain, harming others, drugs, rape, animal cruelty for kicks, etc.

There's an old saying:

"tell me who you're with, and I'll tell you who you are".

Thanks for the input on this powder keg of a topic dude! :nod:
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007
:) anytime man. just honestly we can't learn of grow a people until we mess up. what Vick does next might determine if he's the scum of the earth or if he just truly just couldn't do what was right until now. time will time.
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thedarkcloak Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2007  Professional General Artist
You'd think that after thousands of years of messing up and screwing up we'd start getting SOMETHINg right...

jeebus!!!

Well, I guess we'll see, hopefully the world as a whole starts to find some kind of common awareness or something... otherwise we're all screwed.
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